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Proceedings of: Workshop on Improving Building Design for Persons with Low Vision

Panel 5: Artificial Lighting (James E. Woods, Moderator)

Jim Woods. Introductory Comments

The next panel is on artificial lighting, which is a term I hate. I don’t think there’s anything artificial about real lighting. It’s just from a different source.

I would like to raise four issues to begin with:

The first one is the integration of lighting with other systems. Where does lighting fit into the integration with other systems?

The second would be criteria and design evaluations. In lighting, where are we today and how do we deal with these?

The third would be how well current lighting criteria satisfy occupant responses and needs.

[And the fourth would be the] political realities. There are many changes going on. Mary Ann and Eunice both addressed some of those earlier; specifically, conflicts with energy policies.

Now we’ve got four panelists that I’m really excited about hearing from because they’re actually lighting designers. That’s what they do as their primary professions: deal with lighting issues.

Robert Dupuy, IALD, LC. Problems and Solutions

Historic Basis for Lighting Criteria

I think, first off, a little-known fact about the lighting levels that all of us use daily to do our work and that we also find in lighting codes is that they were based on a study done many, many years ago, over 20, 30 years ago. And the study used young, normally sighted people to develop the [illumination] levels that are found in the Illuminating Engineering Society’s lighting levels.

So from the very beginning, the lighting levels really need to be questioned because they were not studied from a perspective of, you know, a large portion of the population, from older people to younger people. But we’re currently stuck with that, and it’s nothing that this group can change. But I think it’s important to note that the constant lowering of the lighting levels is based on false information.

Conflicts with Energy Codes and Standards

Another really difficult issue are [the] competing energy codes. And there’s just a ton of those. Most energy codes in the country are based on ASHRAE/IES 90.1. And then individual states – and I’ll take Oregon, since it’s where I live -- by mandate of the legislature, [the] Oregon energy code must be a minimum of 10 percent below ASHRAE/IES numbers.

As we said earlier this morning, when you factor in LEED™ and also some requirements from other areas – some large hospitals have their own requirements, et cetera, – you can get down to 30 percent below energy code.

When you’re looking at like one watt a square foot for an office, for example, that’s a really tough thing [to design to]. I mean, I do on a regular basis ambient lighting levels in office spaces that are 20-foot candles and have to be supplemented with task lights because 20- foot candles is simply not enough light.

But that’s the reality of where codes are taking us. And LEED™ in particular has been egregious in this area, striving for a good purpose, but basically making it very difficult for us to provide the kind of lighting that’s required for people to do their jobs, basically.

So these competing energy codes are a big issue for this group because it goes right down to individual cities, where codes are even more strict than the state code or ASHRAE, and you have to comply with all these things. It makes it real difficult to do your job.

If you’re looking at low-vision people, elderly people, and you want higher lighting levels, the codes are not allowing you to do that. And it’s an issue that we can’t ignore if we’re going to move forward and try to have some impact on all of this. So that’s a big issue for me.

Code Enforcement

The second part of codes is enforcement. There are a lot of places where there is an energy code, but the energy code is ignored. So New York, for example, has an energy code. If you’ve been to New York City, you can tell that the energy code doesn’t really function there very well.

Comment by [Participant]. That’s changed, though. Cracking down seriously.

Response by Robert Dupuy. Oh, it has? Well, that’s good to hear.

But you take California, Oregon and Washington, where those three states have had energy codes for a very long period of time. The enforcement is all on the front end. It’s a bunch of forms that you fill out. And it’s all based on the fact that you’re an honest person and that you’re not fudging those forms to make it work. There is little or no enforcement on the back end. So what you install or what actually gets put on the job may have no relation to what was on the drawings.

And to me, if we just had enforcement, we could stop lowering lighting levels. And if you take the South as another example, there’s hardly any enforcement of lighting codes in the South. So -- and again, this is outside of this group’s work, but it’s important to understand that these are the kinds of things that are impacting our work and requiring these low lighting levels.

Examples of Integrating Daylighting with Electric Lighting (slide 2)

The first photo on the top is about lighting controls, which are being now mandated by energy codes. So the state of Oregon, for example, requires controls for daylighting.

The second photo shows a medical office building, where we have daylight coming into the space. The first few fixtures are off because they’re on automatic dimming controls. And then the electric lighting is contributing to the people that are not within 15 feet of the window wall, which is the pretty much accepted standard for how far daylight will penetrate into a space, which is another big issue. How do you get daylight further into office spaces and so forth?

And you take Germany as an example: all the new buildings in Germany are skinny because the law in Germany requires that workers have access to daylight. They must be able to see daylight. The only way to really do that is to skinny up the building so it’s not very deep, to allow that light to penetrate all the work areas. That’s my presentation.

David K. Tozer.

Introduction

Comment by Jim Woods: Let me just quickly introduce David because he’s taken the challenge to substitute for whom we originally had here. David is Senior Designer at George Sexton Associates. He’s a design consultant. He’s been there since 1985; managed many large projects, including the British Art Center at Yale, Peabody Essex Museum, Cleveland Museum of Art, et cetera. He did his graduate work in art at Carnegie Mellon University. So we’ve got a big contingency here from Carnegie Mellon.

I played on the hockey team and the – (inaudible). In addition, I worked on MOMA downtown expansion and what we called the Swingline building. That was the MOMA Queens, and the Boston museum is about to open, early November.

I have several low-vision clients. And there are some here in town that we’ve been working with since 1988. They’re very faithful, energetic clients that have always seemed to have projects. And I met them when they were in their 50s. So now they’re experiencing problems with low vision. And they have said, use us, experiment with us. We’ve done some very unusual design with them. They own an art collection, American art, and they own glass, Tiffany glass, American paintings. And as you can probably tell, one of my specialties and interests is museum lighting, art lighting, and building environments related to art. So I’m going to tell kind of parallel stories here.

Museum Lighting

We’re helping preserve the Louis Kahn’s British Art Center at Yale. And I’m involved with three projects up there. Recently completed was the photo studio. And the challenge that they had was re-photographing the entire collection, digitally. And they needed to have a design so they could color-match the actual painting to the monitor readout. And I hadn’t done anything like that before. But in interviewing the clients, which were five people, the photographer, the registrar, I began to understand what they needed.

So I designed a series of custom fixtures and we customized the [lighting] for these fixtures. We elevated the color temperature. These were all MR-16-based lamps, banks of fixtures that roll on racks. The photo studio [is in] a basement area. That’s another thing to point out, because usually the photo studio’s in the basement. Very gutsy, all the structures shown. So we designed this, what I thought was a really neat system.

I got feedback after the installation. People would walk by the door and just do double takes. And the common comment would be, “when did you get a skylight, because just a beautiful quality of light -- basically, the whole back wall of the studio.” They’ve got large portraits, small portraits, large landscapes, varying sizes. So basically, the entire back wall of the studio is magnificently lit with this quality of light that was evocative of daylight.

So I finally went up and saw it and they were doing a photo shoot. And I don’t know if it was a Rayburn or a Joshua Reynolds painting on the easel, a beautiful woman, this scale. And when they flipped on the photo lights, it’s a warmer color temperature. But when the monitor check comes on, elevated color temperature is available. And it was amazing to see the difference in the rendering of the painting. You saw the whites and reds more vibrantly when the new lighting system was on for monitor check. So I registered that. I said there was all sorts of definitions that I hadn’t seen before. And it became intriguing to me.

Application of Museum Lighting Principles to Low Vision Persons

And so I’m going to switch stories back to the collectors. One of them said – there’s a couple in town, and one of them said I just can’t see anymore; I’m having a problem shaving. And I said we can add more fixtures in your bathroom. So we ordered another series of high-quality adjustable fixtures. And I kept in mind that he said [to] experiment with these. Think about how to solve this problem.

And so I spent about an hour, hour-and-a-half focusing, and I did all sorts of arrangements with the lamps, used different wattages, beam spreads and color temperatures. So I got the mix that I thought was appropriate. Then I went away and let him use it. Interviewed him. So, just to let you know, I’m going to jump around here as well.

Importance of Post Occupancy Evaluations

George [Sexton] has a strong feeling – or a principle - that as we finish the project we need to go back and visit the users after about six months to a year to see how everything is working. And we do these interviews and we ask how things are going and how things could be improved, so it’s for their benefit and ours that we learn how to better our designs.

The point I’m trying to make is that I picked up on details that I couldn’t see under just normal tungsten halogen lighting. It’s an ongoing experiment, of course. But this mixing is a very interesting, intriguing facet of lighting for me. What I saw at Yale, that reds were vibrant -- there was a vibrancy that I experienced at Yale and I brought that to this client. And so he gets -- so total facial illumination was better than just distinction – (inaudible). So that’s a direct experience that I wanted to share with you all.

Balance of Glare and Brightness

In the museum environment we deal with all sorts of issues that relate to glare, to balance, brightness balance. When we light an exhibition [in a gallery], we attempt to light the perimeter to offer generosity with space [and to] balance the lighting that aims on the objects with that backdrop. So we’re building more or less a tableau, you might say. So it’s all about the sensation of well-being, comfort, protection against glare. Just building this total environment wrapper.

There’s a great publication by Gary Thompson, who is the head of conservation of the British Museum; it’s called “The Museum Environment.” And he goes into all the components that make up the museum environment – lighting, temperature, humidity, and so forth. There are some great passages that he’s written about lighting that kind of dissects the glare and ways to control it.

And one thing that I think is intriguing is that when you want to wash a wall then you’re working at cross-purposes because in terms of glare and comfort, that to light a wall you might need to use lenses and reflectors that are naturally glare-producers. So it comes down to design, fixture design to be able to offer the most sophisticated fixture to deliver that ability to wash a wall [that] makes an environment feel comfortable and balanced.

When we’re lighting an exhibition, we’ll typically say that a painting should be [at] a value two in terms of illumination, and a wall should be a value of one. So that ratio is very important to us. Gary Thompson even writes about all that and he says that the best and sharpest viewing relates to that general ratio, meaning that if you were to spotlight, purely spotlight, your viewing ability drops off because you’re actually comparing it to a dark wall, comparing a painting to a dark wall. So he talks eloquently about balance.

In the museum environment it’s about balance and keying. So I think that there are applications in the other built environments that relate to what one can do in the museum environment. I mean, you can think of your favorite museums in town and nationally and internationally, and you might relate your comfort that you experience in these environments somewhat to light. So next time you experience an exhibition, just pay attention to what you think is being done with the lighting. I think there are things to learn from museum applications and museum lighting.

Eunice Noell-Waggoner, IES, LC. Lighting Issues

Introduction

Before I start in, I’d like to kind of pick up where Robert ended relative to energy focus. Right now people are designing buildings for security reasons, although they are not on top of the energy savings that we can have by controls; not having to light buildings when they aren’t occupied is also a factor. So we need to start shifting the view as to how we use energy.

For those of you who may not know the lighting power density that Robert referred to, or the LPD as we use for shorthand, and just being how much energy we can use for the connected load for our lighting. It’s very easy from a code official standpoint to say, “Uh oh, the total has exceeded the loss per square foot that you can have.” However, [the LPD] really discriminates against people with low vision, and also doesn’t take into consideration the amount of energy that’s used over the day. We need a different formula and the Department of Energy needs a different formula to start regulating energy use, and then I don’t think we’ll be handicapping people quite as significantly as we are now.

Low Vision Standards (slide 2)

ANSI/IES RP 28-07: Lighting and the Visual Environment for Senior Living

Several times I’ve heard the reference for this document that I’m going to hold up. It’s an ANSI standard developed by the Illuminating Engineering Society of North America, the lighting for the aged and partially sighted committee. Robert, Jeanne Halloin and I serve on that committee but it was first formed back in 1992, to give you a sense of how long we’ve been dealing with that. Then Mariana has joined the committee later on. This is actually the second publication. It was first published in ‘98, then it became an ANSI standard in 2001, and in order to keep the ANSI [status], [it was updated in 2007]. I have one copy here with me. I will put it in whoever’s hands will make the best use of it.

[This standard] was developed for the senior housing market, where we have a lot of people with low vision. In your own home you can make whatever modifications you want. But in a care environment you are not free to add lighting, take lighting out, whatever it was. So what we needed to do is come up with a general standard that would apply to most people who are low vision, living in these care facilities, from nursing homes, assisted living, [and] residential care.

It should be noted that it’s more of a function of age. The average age for living in care facilities is like 85, and you have people who are 85 living in independent living and you have people who are 85 living in nursing homes and assisted living. So it’s not the level of care. It’s based on age of the end user, not the adult children of the aging parents.

And so, you know, I offer this up to you. It’s been fully vetted as an ANSI standard. It’s a consensus document. And we do go a lot into low vision, glare, [and] contrast. All that kind of stuff is already in here, so if there’s parts of it that can be gleaned for this next step of the group here. It’s not my document, I can’t give it away, but you can certainly talk with the IES about incorporating some of the findings that we have here.

Need for Additional Standards

I strongly urge both the VA and Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services to start looking at [ANSI/IES RP 28-07] because it does talk about light levels. It [states]: this is desired light level[s] measured at 30 inches [above the floor], on the floor, in corridors, how much light you need on a dining table, and how much light you might need on the face for shaving and make-up. It goes through, task by task, selecting clothes [and] all those different things. There is a section on circadian rhythms, to play into what Mariana was talking about.

One of my biggest frustrations is that the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services does not have a lighting recommendation that is measurable in nursing homes. And they’re writing the code for nursing homes all across the country. [The visual environment] should be comfortable. But who makes the judgment of what’s comfortable? The administrator who’s 24 years old, who’s been trained for six weeks? I don’t think so

So it’s just that there’s a big disconnect between the understanding of age-related changes in general on the part of the people who manage these facilities. So we need to stand up for them as a subgroup. And, you know, when we came here, I thought we were going to be talking about office environments, so I’d say, yes, the principles that are in here could apply to low vision in the workplace and in public buildings. But we also need to stand up for the older people.

The way I got to this, and Jeanne and Robert too, we were all facing similar kinds of situations where we were very interested in the lighting of care facilities and there really wasn’t a document like [ANSI/IES RP 28-07]. And actually one of the engineers from Robert’s own office was the one that drove me over the edge, and I was trying to talk about how he needed to be doing his lighting. I was doing interior designing and he was the lighting administrator, so I was kind of explaining how we had done it before. I was working with their company, that engineer, and he was saying, finally, “Well, until it’s written where an architect, a lighting designer or lighting engineer can find it, I’m going to ignore you.” I did not take that lightly.

But I mean, as much as I hated the guy, wanted to strangle him, try to get him fired, it was a good statement because until this was published. So when we first published in ‘98, I thought, done. Well, we’re still fighting it today. Robert and I advised the state of Oregon on what was needed for people in memory care. Here you have the most disadvantaged people possible. There are special conditions relative to their vision. They kind of have tunnel vision. They don’t have the peripheral vision, and a lot of different things like this, and yet it was coming back to us by the for-profit administrators that there’s not enough evidence to state that older people need higher light levels than young people. Not enough evidence.

I encourage you to get a copy of this if you don’t have it. See what can be applied. It’s already here, already vetted.

Design Issues

Glare and Shadows (slides 3 and 4)

Okay, these are some of the problems that I see. Shadows in the foyer (slide 3). This happens to be an Alzheimer’s care facility; I didn’t intentionally bring senior care facilities, but I have a lot of good examples of [glare and shadows]. So we’ve got clear glass, we’ve got glare, we’ve got heat. But then what is that pattern on the floor? And here these people have [difficulty in deciding] ‘is that a beam that I’m supposed to step over on the floor, or what is it?’

The other thing that I see is uneven light distribution, where Mariana says ‘cave light,’ you know, lights the lower part of the wall that doesn’t hit on the side, or gets you that kind of cave environment. Again, the glare coming in from the daylight, highly polished floor, the light just on one side bouncing up. It isn’t being distributed very much down the wall. So these are problems that we see.

Adaptation: Transition from Daylight to Interior (slide 5)

[Another] thing that I think is a problem is this adaptation, which has been raised several times. [In slide 5], you can see how bright it is outside and how dark that intersecting vestibule is that you have to go through. The glass doors have a chrome bottom so you can’t really tell where they are. [The] front doors don’t align with the next [interior] row of doors, so you have to know that you have to jog over a whole door panel, and the handle is chrome. So it’s like this is all reflected. Your eyes [have to adjust to] this transition; a real hazardous situation trying to go from the outside to the inside.

Direct – Indirect Lighting: High Light Levels without Glare (slide 6)

Since we are talking about lighting, I just took some photos in Robert’s office of indirect-direct lighting fixtures. What we have found with older folks is that if we want to get a higher light level, we have to have the indirect or the general illumination bouncing off the ceiling and the upper walls to kind of light the space, and then have more light coming down.

Stairwell Lighting (slides 7 and 8)

So we need the NFPA at this table. We need to get them to understand that not everyone has perfect young eyesight (slide 7). Currently they allow an average of one foot-candle – and that’s an average, so that’s not a minimum – of one foot-candle in stairways like that. And the ratios they will accept, you can’t exceed the 40 to 1 ratio. Well, you know, the 40 is going to be on the landing where there’s no hazards, but there’s a lot of hazards going down to that. Low-contrast definition for the handrails or the – (inaudible) – from the stair.

Another [issue for] stair lighting [is] pattern (slide 8). Here’s the pattern going down (left photo). This happens to be a theater. So you’re going down, you can’t see, but then if you turn and look up, you will see that every third step is lighted (right photo). So what are you supposed to do – trip over the two in between?

Mary Ann Hay, IALD, LEED™ AP. Artificial Lighting

I use the term artificial lighting, but electric lighting is a very powerful tool and component in our built environment.

Influences of Artificial Lighting

[Artificial lighting] can be very influential in the way we behave within the environment, giving us spatial clues. And I’ll show a few quick examples.

Behavior within the Environment (slide 2)

This is a breakout area from an office space. The client, Lifetime Entertainment, wanted to create a very interactive, more casual environment for the office space, let people do more teaming in the space, and the lighting helps to transform that office environment into a more casual space.

Perception of the Environment (slide 3)

It can change our perception of the environment. This is a completely below-grade executive conference center. The prime objective with this project was [to light the space] so that you do not feel like you’re below grade, that you get some sense of brightness; not really emulating daylight but [giving] some sense of volume.

Sense of Well-Being (slide 4)

It can influence our sense of well-being. It can, in creating entry areas for this spa and making the space feel very inviting.

Visual Comfort (slide 5)

It also can influence our visual comfort in terms of seating area, reception area, having people feel like they want to go into the space and sit in the space and have the space feel comfortable.

Navigation throughout the Environment (slide 6)

It also can assist with our navigation through that space. This is a back-lit translucent wall, which is actually the base of the escalator going into the below-grade conference center, so that you don’t feel like you’re going down into the basement of the space. So as you’re entering the space, you’re looking at illuminated surfaces.

Productivity (slide 7)

It can influence our productivity, although, as in earlier discussions, that hasn’t really been substantiated with scientific studies. But if you create a comfortable environment for the people who are occupying it, I don’t see how it can’t influence productivity.

Safety (slide 8)

It also can influence our sense of safety and wanting to go into a space and having it feel welcome.

Basis of Lighting Design (slide 9)

Having said that, I think it’s really critical that the lighting design has to be developed in concert with the requirements of the occupants. It is so critical to understand who’s in that space and what their needs are. We were just talking about something that may seem very fundamental, like office lighting. We would certainly provide a very different environment for a law firm than we would for a creative media client. It’s very important to understand what’s happening in the space.

We were just recently awarded a new project. There were three other lighting design firms involved in the interview process. The feedback I received was first of all everybody was equally qualified in terms of their basic experience and the fees were all very similar. But they said that I was the only one who really addressed what their needs were and wanted to understand how they work. The first thing we do when we get a new project is look at their existing facilities, see what they’re doing, and try to make sure that the lighting really supports their business and their culture.

It’s also important to understand the requirements of the owner. If they’re really focused on trying to streamline their capital operating expenses, they’re going to be trying to minimize different types of lamps on the project, so that they can really look at their maintenance and controls, and how the space will operate.

Involvement in the architectural and interior design is so important very early in the process, so that we can really integrate the lighting into the space, not have it look like it’s an afterthought.

There’s nothing worse than getting a blank RTP and the job is going out in two days, and they say, here, design the lighting. Well, what’s happening in the space? I need the furniture plan. I need to understand what’s going on in the space.

It’s not, you know, putting dots on a drawing or putting lines on the drawing. It’s really thinking three dimensionally and what’s happening in that space. That really influences the whole perception of glare in the space, the issues of contrast, and making sure that we are providing the appropriate --

I know everybody’s probably tired of hearing about the energy code, but it’s the law and we all have to abide by it. Is the law flawed? I think it’s certainly flawed and it really needs a lot of reevaluation, and this is certainly influencing the way that we design.

Trends in Lighting Design (slides 10 and 11)

A lot has been already mentioned about the drive toward sustainability. And sustainability is not a bad thing. I think it’s a good thing, but it needs to be implemented thoughtfully, making sure that we’re not compromising any quality-of-life issues [while] providing a sustainable environment.

There is a drive to improving color rendition [in] the lamps that we have available. We do have very good color rendering qualities, and so that’s been a tremendous plus in the lighting industry in terms of having things rendered and people rendered much more accurately.

What is very detrimental right now, and in some ways it’s a good thing, physical bulb size and shape [of lamps are] getting much smaller. [These bulbs and lamps help in terms of trying to reduce energy consumption but they create a tremendous glare bomb with these small lamps. They really need to be controlled carefully, and we really need to make sure that the luminaires that they’re going into are thought about in terms of controlling that glare.

Approach to Lighting Design (slide 12)

So some of the things that we really need to consider are making sure that we have [consistent levels] of lighting in circulation zones, with the exception of major intersections or decision points, [where] actually increasing the lighting levels can assist with the Wayfinding process.

As I mentioned yesterday, task illumination [is] such a critical component in space, giving people control over their environment.

And we’ve been talking about the transition zones again. Now, it’s very regulated in tunnels, when you’re driving. It’s not thought about in terms of architectural spaces [but] it’s very important for pedestrians walking through.

Vertical illumination is an important tool in defining a space and assisting with Wayfinding and just how your sense of comfort is in the space. If you’re in a space and you’re looking up constantly at a darker wall surface, it really creates a lot of difficulties with your eye transitioning in terms of the lighting.

Issue 13: How can energy codes and LEED™ “Points” be made compatible with lighting design criteria that accommodate low vision persons?

Comment and Question by Greg Knoop: It’s my experience that we program buildings and lighting levels according to spaces, but we don’t have a program transition. So that space just outside that last door could be programmed with many times the amount of light level that this space is, or vice versa.

Is it possible to start to program defined transition between spaces? Is that realistic, are you seeing that in any design, or is that simply good design practices and so therefore we should write the transitions into the code?

Response by Mary Ann Hay: It’s good design practice. Unfortunately right now [codes are] causing some limitations on addressing transitional areas. A lot of transitional areas are public spaces or circulation areas, and the energy codes are restricting you to half a watt a square foot, so it’s very restrictive in terms of light levels that you can provide in entry areas and in transitional corridors. The energy code is creating a tremendous challenge in doing that.

Comment by Richard Dupuy: I think the energy codes view that as superfluous lighting and you don’t need that. It’s art and it doesn’t serve use of the space. So that’s why you see the lowering of lighting levels in corridors and lobbies, because they’re not important, when in fact it’s just the opposite. So we are restricted by the code to do some things.

Now you can trade off when you’re doing the code. You can take lots from over here and put it over here, and we do that as much as we can. But there’s definitely a limit as to how far you can go.

Response by Mary Ann Hay: You’re compromising someplace else.

Comment by Richard Dupuy: Right. I mean, the code even deals with lighting levels in mechanical spaces [safety issue]. Those spaces are infrequently used and, in Oregon you have to have controls - like occupancy-sensors - so when someone leaves, the lights do go off. But why would you have so many watts per square foot specifically for those storage rooms, things like that? It just doesn’t make sense.

Response by Mary Ann Hay: The danger is that they’ll realize the stupidity of offering those watts per square foot in those spaces and eliminate them without adding back –

Comment by Richard Dupuy: The [new] Oregon code goes into effect tomorrow. Last week I was contacted by the Oregon Department of Energy talking about the 2012 code, which they are already writing. I go, “But the new code hasn’t even started!” They go, “But yeah, but we have to lower those numbers. Now what do you think, 10 percent? What can you do?”

Question by [Participant]: Just pull it out of the air?

Response by Richard Dupuy: Exactly.

Comment by Mary Ann Hay: It goes up for public review. But first of all, you have to be tuned into the fact that it even went out for public review.

Question by [Participant]: There’s no notice?

Response by Mary Ann Hay: Yeah, there’s no [industry] notice. You have to constantly check the [public] notices.

Comment by Richard Dupuy: But if it was in the classifieds, [it was a] little tiny advertisement. Fortunately for me, a person who used to work in my office went to the Department of Energy and so he calls me and he goes like, “This doesn’t make sense to me but what do you think?” But generally speaking I think across the country, codes are written inside a room like this. There’s no consultation.

Comment by [Participant]: This is the same with federal government agencies. I mean, I’ve gone to meetings with staffers up on the Hill, who said, “Okay, how far can you go with the numbers?” I mean, that’s the mindset, at least it passed the House. About eight associations got together and in that meeting said, “Here are some things you can do that don’t deal with numbers,” one of which was to require that the engineers within federal buildings, GSA – most of them are contract [personnel] except for VA – had some required certification [to demonstrate that] they at least know how to operate buildings. And that piece passed through.

But there’s a range of things that they can do, including we tried to get them to require, in legislation, POEs at the buildings. That didn’t make it; their mindset is either LEED™ Certification or reduce the numbers.

Comment by Jim Woods: To a great extent, the Illuminating Engineering Society is silent about this issue. I’ve watched the evolution of ASHRAE Standard 90 since its inception in 1975. Yes, the first version of the Standard 90 was 1975. And it evolved in ‘80 and ‘89, ‘99, 2004, 2007 and 2010. IES came into the picture I think in 1989. What really bothers me in Standard 90 is that there are no [illumination requirements].

Question by [Participant]: Illuminating is part of the ASHRAE [90.1] Standard, right?

Responses by [five Participants] No. The [Lighting Power Densities] are part of the Standard. But lighting and illumination [are] not [in the] Standard 90.

Comment by [Participant]. But Standard 90 is the one that’s driving [the energy codes].

Response by [three Participants]: DOE is driving it, not ASHRAE. They’re using ASHRAE’s standard. Right. They’re writing the standard.

Comment by [Participant]. There has to be far more input [on] the illumination issue in the ASHRAE process: ASHRAE 90.1 [and] ASHRAE 189.1, which is becoming the standard for all other codes.

Comment by Jim Woods: At least 189.1 is addressing illumination. Not well. I don’t know if you’ve [evaluated] 189 or not. It’s scary because it basically says that your energy consumption has to be reduced 30 percent below 90.1; your ventilation has to be at least 15 percent above ASHRAE Standard 62.1, and it varies from ASHRAE Standard 55, so there are inherent conflicts.

Comment by [Participant]: As far as involvement, that’s where there needs to be some involvement by IES.

Responses by [three Participants]. That’s changed. There are more IES representatives now involved in the ASHRAE process, but it’s still a small voice. Yes. So we need to get lighting people involved into that decision-making process. A lot of the IES members are involved in that [process].

Response by Jim Woods. Three or four years from now ASHRAE Standard 189.1, or some similar version, is going to be the standard that government agencies use for design and construction. I mean, the agencies are rapidly moving in that direction.

Comment and Question by [Participant]. [In] the LEED™ point system, usually about a third of the points are on energy, [approximately] 29 available points. [For] the indoor environmental quality [category], are there any points that are available for lighting quality?

Responses by [four Participants]. [Yes, for] controllability. That only [affects] energy. There’s nothing about improving the quality of light. So LEED does not address that aspect. Maybe this is another component that needs to be brought in as we move forward. Well, it seems like this whole standard is built around energy.

Comment by [Participant]. In my humble opinion it’s driven from DOE, [whose] purpose to is to reduce energy, which it probably is doing very well. That’s what it’s supposed to do, so it’s driving energy. And I think on the environment –

Comment by Mary Ann Hay: What they really should be looking at is [energy] consumption, not just connected load. In other words, you should be given latitude of providing appropriate levels of light if they’re controlled appropriately, so that you’re really controlling the consumption [by] taking advantage of daylight opportunity, not having lighting on when a space is not occupied, and looking at the whole building model and how it works.

Response by [Participant]: So it’s like demand.

Response by [Participant]: That would be another way of dealing with it. The state of California is looking at that as a possible way of controlling energy use. So the building would be metered, and you know, if you use more energy, you pay for it and then that sort of self-regulates back down to not having controls. That seems to be a more fair way of dealing with the energy thing instead of always talking about how many watts and LPDs and all that stuff.

Response by [Participant]: I remember years ago when we were looking at a federal courthouse in Sacramento, and it was just about the time that the rolling blackouts were starting in California. Our federal building was lit up outside like the 4th of July, and with rolling blackouts, that’s what we were doing. The building managers were trying to get the courthouse judges to accept half-lamping fluorescent lighting in their areas of the courthouse. And the chief judge absolutely said no. He wouldn’t even consider halflamping in lighting in that area of the courthouse. How can [the federal government] impose these restrictions on people and then not practice itself?

Comment by Kurt Knight: Five years ago is entirely different than what you’re doing now. So we really can’t think much about what we used to do. First of all, there’s a 30 percent incident. We don’t give specifics. We say, you, designer, build us a building at 30 percent better than ASHRAE. I mean, that’s what the law says. But we don’t stipulate that it has to be lighting, it has to be this. It’s a holistic approach of trying to achieve the 30 percent. Use design in an integrated way to do that.

Another thing is that commissioning is now required on all projects. Retro-commissioning is now required on all projects. Metering is required on all projects. So you’ll not only get the initial design, it’s going to be metered to see if it does perform in accordance with its [energy targets]. Again, this is all going to be driving on the energy side. You can’t measure lighting controls. You can put a meter on the electric bills, hook up and say, “You’re using X number of BTUs,” which is going to say there’s demands on all existing buildings to reduce energy usage 3 percent every year to a maximum 15 percent. That’s what the law is now.

There’s a drive to reducing old building energy, there’s a drive to reduce new building energy. There’s going to be metering in those buildings to see if they’re compliant, and the records on the medical centers at VA are not going to sit back and say, “Wow, we really don’t want to do this because we didn’t meet our energy goals.” VA’s policy secretary says, “We’re going to meet these goals, and by God you’d better meet it or you’re organizationally not going to go very far.”

Comment by Jim Woods (as Moderator): Let me bring it back. We’ve got about five minutes max, so I think I want to bring it back to low vision, of designing for people with low vision. We’ve pushed on this energy thing pretty hard. I want to frame it in two ways.

One is, as we move forward with this zero net energy and we begin to look at how many people with disabilities of any kind are in the buildings. I would like to have Marsha lead a little bit of discussion on this.

The other related issue, Kurt, I’d like to have you address, and this is in health care, as we begin to look at this. I don’t know if you want to call it healthcare disabilities or not. As we try to improve health care, improve lighting, as we look at the zero net energy, how do we deal with this issue as we move forward?

Issue 14: How can improved lighting and zero net energy goals by achieved while improving health care?

Comment by Kurt Knight: [As an] initial goal at VA, we stipulate some energy lighting criteria, but we’re not willing at this time to go to that as a significant issue. Again, we try to do it in a holistic way. We have some of our standards relative to lighting that we think are appropriate for whatever function that we’re doing; it’s different needs for different functions. And that’s the minimum.

So when they do their energy analysis, they can’t go below those minimums, which are not necessarily as low as some suggestions around here. I’d have to look at them specifically. I’m not an expert in that area. But we are establishing them on some lighting.

Question by Jim Woods: So you have lighting minimums?

Response by Kurt Knight: Right. But we still demand that the AE design the building holistically to meet the 30 percent. In health care that’s a challenge because it’s a 24/7 operation. It’s entirely different than an office building. We’ve raised that up the flagpole numerous times and nobody’s – at least in the regulatory area – seems to care. Or they’re simply not doing anything.

So I think from our perspective, yes, we’re going to establish some standard relative to a wide variety. Now have we done that well in low vision area? I would say no. We would probably need to do some work on what should those standards be in a low vision area, in certain types of areas. Our community living center we’re doing – (inaudible) – but -- and by still demanding 30 percent. Now that 30 percent’s going up.

Question by Tom Williams: Did you see the new FEMP standard (a white paper) that came out last week? I can’t believe this: fifty percent [energy] reduction requirement in large hospitals.

Issue 15: How can the potential conflict between the goals of zero net energy and accessibility for low vision persons be resolved?

Question by Jim Woods: Marsha, from your standpoint, from the accessibility perspective, what can we do about this potential conflict?

Response from Marsha Mazz: I don’t know yet. In regard to some of the concerns about involving the [accessibility] community, absolutely we have to. And I’ve already sent Eunice a contact for someone who certainly advocates with NFPA on stairway design issues, including lighting.

But we do have to work together with the competing interests, and if we don’t, we are going to be spinning our wheels. And they’re much bigger and much stronger than we are. They have far more influence than we have. And whenever we attempt to establish a standard – and I’ve said it 100 times already; I’ll just say it one more time – whenever we attempt to establish a standard that in any way impinges on the directions that those competing interests want to go in, we’re challenged on the basis of our support for that standard.

We are, I think, in the accessibility world, more and more being held to higher standards than the codes developers typically.

Question by Jim Woods: How about the responses [by the code developers]?

Response by Marsha Mazz: Just spend five minutes with me and the National Association of Homebuilders and you’ll see that. They demand substantiation for accessibility criteria when their own substantiation for what they want to do is [based on] opinion. And [their] opinion, seems to carry the day until you want to bring forward accessibility criteria.

Comment by Tom Williams: One of the things that I see happening is that there is no accommodation to build functional requirements throughout. And Kurt, you talked about the demands on hospitals and health care facilities. What I’m almost certain is going to be the wave of the future is finding ways of creating less efficient facilities by decentralizing, in order to reduce the energy consumption in a hospital, for example, is to move out services that are high-energy demand into new facilities that start from scratch. Although these requirements may be stringent, at least it’s a way of addressing it.

What it costs us in other energy consumption issues – travel between them, general efficiency of actually providing the service, and so on, is going to go by the wayside. My suspicion is that Congress’ rationale, other than looking good, is to inspire research into new products and materials that will provide or allow us to produce facilities that can respond to those reductions. I think the timeline is probably unrealistic, but that’s what I think is probably their justification for coming up with what appear to be some unreasonable requests.

I see a whole new way of providing healthcare services, not only for the VA but for others in areas where high energy consumption is required just to provide the service.

Response by [Participant]: Interestingly enough, the latest executive order on greenhouse gas reduction requires trying to calculate travel costs associated [with the] separate facilities. The environmental impact of car travel, as well as flying to different sites for staff, or paying people to come in and design projects, all that supposedly eventually will be tracked. How much environmental impact or greenhouse gas consumption that is.

Response by [Participant]: And then you have the low-vision consumer who has to get there with no transportation.

Issue 16: What environmental and perceptual data on artificial/electric lighting are available from buildings with low vision occupants?

Question by Jim Woods: I do have one more question for Eunice. Is this [RP 28-07 ANSI/IES Standard: Lighting and the Visual Environment for Senior Living] based on some hard data research that was done?

Response by Eunice Noell-Waggoner. Right.

Question by [Participant]: So when somebody comes to you and says, “Show me the study,” that’s the mantra, “show me the study, where is the study,” you can point back –

Response by Eunice Noell-Waggoner. Well, I can say, based on what younger people may need, what the median [values are]. Dr. Allen Lewis – I don’t know if you’re familiar with him – he was on the committee that helped develop it. So we had a lot of experts.

Response by Jeanne Halloin: [The draft standard] had to be reviewed by the technical committee, by us and then rewritten, and it had to be reviewed by the board, and a lot of times we had to substantiate things or take them out. So it went through a lot, and that was before it went through ANSI reviews. So it went through a lot of reviews, which is why it takes that long.

Response by Robert Dupuy: But even so, we have people who, looking at that document, tell us that there’s not enough scientific evidence that low-vision people need more light.

Response by [Participant]: From a federal perspective, there’s a federal law that says we’re supposed to use national standards where appropriate for our needs. So an ANSI standard means that they [are to be used] where we feel appropriate. And because it’s there, it’s a federal law that says we should be adopting those types of standards.

Response by [Participant]: There are lots of people who, for monetary reasons, disagree with that document.

Issue 17: What design guidance on artificial/electric lighting for low vision persons can be provided in the short term?

Question by [Participant]: The other question I have is: [are there state chapters of the IES]?

Response by Robert Dupuy: Extrapolating from my need, the staff at my state organization [of IES] is monitoring stuff like a hawk, anything that’s coming up that might potentially impact our profession. I mean, they’re on this; they’re lobbying, so on and so forth. I mean, you have state associations or state providers that can look for this stuff, like this little classified here. Or they [are] linked in so that the rule-makers in the state government, know their contact at IES and say, “Hey, let’s take a look at this.”

Response by Jeanne Halloin: Right. What’s happening right now relative to ASHRAE 90.1 is that we got a hold of them and we said, “Look, right now lighting for care facilities is exempt from the energy code because we’re asking for higher light levels than typically you would find in an office environment. And so when they started ratcheting down the energy, they snuck it in there that [health care facilities] were exempt.

Now we have people who are trying to light the spaces with incandescent light because it’s more residential. That’s not where we wanted to go with it. So we’ve got to head those guys off at the pass, and so ASHRAE has said, “Look, we want to establish appropriate lighting power density for older people with partial sight.” So they are going to be meeting the light levels required in this, and then they’ve got probably 25 different facilities that they’re looking at that are well designed lighting-wise for this population group. So they’re going to establish an appropriately higher density [LPD] for senior care.

But the very person that took that on and was willing to do it [for health care] says, “But I can’t be doing that for the office environment because it’s like – they’d just be throwing it all away.” But because we have a restricted population group in the senior care facilities, they’re willing to do it for them.

Comment by Vijay Gupta: I wanted to say something on the low vision lighting level. From my experience, not including the recently experienced conditions, has been bad. But earlier, five years ago, the best time for lighting [for me was] outside dusk time, before sunrise or after sunset. Or not after sunset but close to sunset, that’s the outside best lighting, gives the best contrast. But inside, the contrast in here today is a lot better for me than it was yesterday. I think because lighting levels have been dimmed. But I don’t know what candlepower this is.

Question by Jim Woods: I’d like to [hear opinions] around the table: How good is the correlation between illumination level or luminance and power density?

Response by Jeanne Halloin: There’s not a good correlation, because it’s again, it’s still related to the three-dimensional qualities of the space, the finishes in the space.

Question by Jim Woods: So how can ASHRAE make these changes in LPDs if they don’t know what the consequence is going to be with regard to illumination?

Response by Jeanne Halloin: That’s one reason why you have to get in really early [during the design process] because if they have dark flooring or dark walls, there’s no way you’re going to get there [i.e., lighting levels for the assigned LPDs]. So what you have to do is get into the project really early and start telling them that we need light reflectance values on all the large spaces. So that’s why a lot of recommendations that you hear lighting people say for low vision people, but they’re really the only way we can get the light levels up. You have to actually change things in the building itself.

Comment and Question by Jim Woods: Let me push on a little bit. Everybody’s been talking about 30 percent below ASHRAE. I’ve played this game plenty of times. I can make that ASHRAE number go about anywhere I want it to go so I can get 30 percent below my “baseline design.”’ I can do that. So I think what you’re saying, Jeanne, is if we get in early in the design process, you can influence what the lighting level is for the baseline ASHRAE design, because now you have a level that includes the power density level on the base.

So the baseline ASHRAE number would also reflect the illumination that’s necessary for low vision or for other aspects. Is that kind of what you were thinking about?

Response by Jeanne Halloin: If you get in on it early enough, you can do better in the design process. Yeah, and early in the design process, not the building. Early in the design process you can affect the power density.

Comment by [Participant]: Lighting is often an afterthought. It’s not part of the initial [project budget] breakdown.

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